Healing Beyond the Physical: A Geologist's Journey into Hypnotherapy

Joseph shares his transformative journey from geologist to hypnotherapist, exploring how these different fields converge to create powerful healing experiences for cancer patients, entrepreneurs, and those seeking spiritual growth.

Joseph Drumheller

• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@josephdrumheller
• Website: https://jdhacademy.org/
• Email: jdh@jdhacademy.org
• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/josephdrumheller/

• Describes India as "the most sacred land" with deep spiritual traditions despite infrastructural challenges
• Worked with cancer patients using hypnotherapy to help them make peace with mortality through guided death experiences
• Explains how releasing suppressed emotions can create healing and stop repeating negative patterns
• Discusses crystals from a geologist's perspective, noting they emit vibrational frequencies that can affect our energy field
• Defines hypnotherapy as accessing the subconscious mind through deep relaxation to release emotions and tap into creativity
• Identifies common business challenges for healers who often lack promotional personality traits
• Emphasizes that everyone has experienced trauma that manifests as "repeating patterns" in relationships and life

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Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction to Friends from Wild Places
• 0:35 Sacred Land of India: Spiritual Observations
• 2:11 Working with Cancer Patients Through Hypnotherapy
• 6:31 Crystals and Geological Perspectives on Healing
• 9:18 Understanding Hypnotherapy and Powerful Medicine
• 13:45 Overcoming Business Struggles as a Healer
• 20:19 Core Beliefs and Healing Trauma Patterns

Transcript

Voiceover: 0:03

Tales from the wild, stories from the heart. A journey into the mind and soul of fired up business professionals, where they share their vision for the future and hear from a different non-profit organisation every month as they create awareness of their goals and their needs. Dive into a world of untamed passion. As we join our host, Shireen Botha, for this month's episode of Friends from Wild Places.

Tanya Scotece: 0:35

What a beautiful journey, though, that you described, you know for yourself. I actually just before I forget, I want to ask you two questions. One is I went to, I had an opportunity to visit India last December and I came away from there just saying it is the most sacred land that I've ever experienced, like from a just there's no words to even describe it.

Joseph Drumheller: 0:58

but that was my I don't know what the deal with India is. They got all the tradition, all the histories. It's like this incredibly spiritual place, yet it's a very you know. They just don't have their act together with infrastructure, you know, and yet they're very advanced with like technology and stuff. It's just a fascinating country. You know. There's so many people there and there's rich people and there's poor people. It's like you know, it's like and they have the spirituality stuff that I just don't. I just maybe it's just where they are on the planet or the history that they have there, but it's just it's incredible. It's incredible. It's, yeah, like the United States, forget about it. We don't have anything that's close to touching, you know.

Tanya Scotece: 1:34

Yeah. So my questions, based on what you've shared, are two things. One is with your work with the cancer patients, what was your like I don't want to say intention, because maybe that's not the right word, but, for example, is it to have the cancer patients make peace with where they are? Was it to give them energy to either accept where they are? I mean, I don't think it was to heal them, correct, because there's certain cancers that I mean. It's not like I mean everybody-.

Joseph Drumheller: 2:02

Some people did go through healing experiences, but that was not the intention.

Tanya Scotece: 2:06

So what did you find, to kind of like summarize, with working in that specific population?

Joseph Drumheller: 2:11

What was the answer patients was everything. It was life and death. It was miraculous experiences. So there were some people that would come in. I'd interview them on the first session and I would know before they knew that I was going to help this person die as peacefully as possible.

Joseph Drumheller: 2:26

So the first thing with hypnotherapy, when you know people come see you for all sorts of different reasons and they were entitled to have six sessions with me as long as they're undergoing radiation treatment. So some people were very metaphysical and actually wanted to do healing. Okay, so I couldn't, I can't, really I couldn't approach it that way, just because you know that's not what we were doing and you know I don't want to sell hypnotherapy like that. So but we get people to relax. The first thing to do is just to help people relax because they're under very, very stressful considerations. You know, under very stressful circumstances because everyone in the back of their mind who has cancer whether it's, like you know, like just a melanoma on their face or like some serious breast cancer or something everyone has the same thought in the back of their mind and that is okay. Is this going to take me out? Is this how I die? So, and nobody, nobody ever talks about that with cancer patients. And so by about the time the third session rolled around, at some point I wanted to talk about death with people not all of them, but most of them and most people really wanted to talk about death just because just to get it off their chest or whatever. And then I had for some, in order to help them come to peace with where they're with with cancer, I would take them through these hypnotherapy experience with these guided meditations, where I would take them through their death experience, so they would actually go through their imagined death experience and what it would be like on the other side. And for those that wanted to do that, it was absolutely phenomenal experience because when they came back they realized that there's nothing to be afraid of, and so it helped them deal with cancer much more effectively. So when the fear of death is gone, then you can live more fully.

Joseph Drumheller: 4:13

You know death is a great teacher, and then also for most of the people dealing with cancer on some level, you know having cancer it's an emotional minefield. You know, um, you know having cancer it's an emotional minefield. So you need to to help people with their emotions, and there could be suppressed emotions in there that are actually helping create the cancer itself. So at some point, usually early on, I'd want to take people through releasing suppressed emotions from the past and that's a big deal with hypnotherapy and um. When you do that can create a lot of emotional release for some people, actually cause physical healing and from those suppressed emotions from the past. For almost everybody it deals with your primary family of origin. So if you want to go into the deeper healing work you need to be willing to deal with your emotional unresolved with your family.

Tanya Scotece: 5:07

Very important, very important.

Joseph Drumheller: 5:09

Yeah. You know it's so funny, joseph.

Tanya Scotece: 5:13

Correct, correct so it's so.

Tanya Scotece: 5:15

I feel like we are like on what's the word? Like different, like parallels of the universe, because my former career was in medical medical administration and I actually ran an oncology office for my former boss, dr Kenneth Kern, who specialized in breast cancer, thyroid cancer and malignant melanoma. So I saw, before I transitioned into the mortuary world, exactly what you know. Other maybe considerations that you're describing as far as how people approach their cancer, there were some people that actually identified it. They wore it like their cloak, like I have cancer like, and they would almost like. That's who they identified with. And then there's other people who never, once it was removed, they never wanted to talk about it again. You know what I mean Like and it's just how people approach the same quote, unquote diagnosis, even though there's many degrees of it, but how people handle it differently. So it's fascinating.

Tanya Scotece: 6:06

But I want to ask one where I had two questions. So one was about the cancer. Second is the geology aspect. So as far as understanding like crystals, a lot of people like the metaphysical world or you know, just having, for example, rose, quartz and amethyst and selenite around them I have a question what is it when, for example, like if somebody is drawn to a certain crystal, like it talks to them or resonate? Would you? From your perspective as far as a geologist, would you say that that person needs more of it? What is the reason for that attraction?

Tanya Scotece: 6:39

with a crystal or a-.

Joseph Drumheller: 6:41

So crystal? So Interestingly enough, as a geologist and with my interest in healing and stuff, I've never really been drawn to crystals, which I find really fascinating. I don't know why that is, but I do know that crystals give off a vibrational frequency and they can be used in healing. And I would say if someone feels drawn to a particular crystal, they should wear it. If it makes them feel good, it's probably doing something to up their vibrational energy field. And I would say, yeah, have it around.

Joseph Drumheller: 7:09

If you, if you go into a crystal shop that has like a lot of amethyst, you know, like purple crystals, like those are more common, if you can. Well, I don't know, it's an interesting exercise. I'll say, if you can go in, stand in front of those crystals and see if you feel anything. You know it used to be used to be. I go into crystal shops. I think they're interesting. Now it's like if I go into a crystal shop I can't get, like you know, more than 10 feet in front of the amethyst display because it's too strong, you know. So that's part of my own sensitivity that's developed over time.

Tanya Scotece: 7:42

So Fascinating, fascinating, well, thank you so much for sharing. Fascinating, fascinating, well, thank you so much for sharing. Uh, my two questions are answered.

Shireen Botha: 7:50

And shireen, how about you questions for joseph, or? And yeah, you actually kind of answered some of my questions too, so thank you for that. But um, first of all, I've never had that experience. I don't know what it is to be drawn to a crystal, but then, you know, I haven't actually been or have a. I'd be able to have that experience. I don't know if I'm just I don't know, maybe I'm just too numb.

Joseph Drumheller: 8:10

No, you're just, you're all unique, it's all good.

Shireen Botha: 8:14

But, joseph, I don't know if you know, but Friends from Wild Places is really a place to share stories like yourself and other business owners and professionals. It's really a safe place to show support for each other all over the world, and we also feature nonprofits every month to try and make a difference or even just give a helpline to someone in need. So, listeners, do you have a message you'd like to share with the world? Or maybe you just think it'll be fun to have your own talk show or just your own podcast? That's what it's called nowadays.

Shireen Botha: 8:50

It used to be called radio in my day, but anyway, we go through the times. But please follow the link in the show notes. This lets Buzzsprout know we sent you and it does help support the show because the team at Buzzsprout is really passionate about helping you succeed in starting that podcast of yours. But, joseph, earlier on you mentioned powerful medicines. What do you mean by powerful medicines, if you can give a few examples of those powerful medicines that you learned about and do you use them in your sessions?

Joseph Drumheller: 9:31

okay. So when I when I use the phrase powerful medicine, I was kind of borrowing some native american phrase. So this guy has powerful medicine, so that's like spiritual energies and so um. So when I when I have learned about hypnotherapy and the more I get into it, I would call that a powerful medicine, because what we're doing is that we're going into the subconscious mind through deep states of relaxation and we're actually accessing and harnessing the power of the subconscious mind, which is a phenomenal tool. That is just we're just learning how to use it now in the in the evolution of us as a species and, and I think as we move forward, this non-invasive, holistic, energetic type healings are going to become more commonplace and they're going to become more in the mainstream.

Joseph Drumheller: 10:16

Right now they're still seen outside of the box a bit, so you're not going to see them as much in traditional medicine and things like that. But I think as we progress in the future generations we're going to see a lot more like that. But I think as we progress and in the future generations we're going to see a lot more of that. It's because I teach clinical hypnotherapy certification and when I started doing it 30 years ago it was like kind of woo-woo, you know like weird stuff. Now I'm teaching like students from all over the world, you know like in their 20s and 30s, and they just can't get enough of it. So they're good. So these, the younger generation, is going to really run with it, so yeah, Joseph, can you?

Tanya Scotece: 10:54

can you walk our listeners through like just some basic, like if people maybe just heard of hypnosis but they're not sure, like what it means, or like you know? Can you walk through like whether people are doing it for, for example, weight loss or smoking cessation, or to maybe past life regression? Can you walk us through just what it feels like and, you know, take out or demystify some of the myths around?

Joseph Drumheller: 11:16

So, first of all, historically there's a lot of misconceptions when you use the word hypnotherapy or hypnosis. In particular, people automatically, for whatever reason, they go to stage hypnosis where someone's being made to bark like a chicken or something like that. So, even though that is a legitimate form of entertainment and they are tapping into the subconscious mind, the work that I do in hypnotherapy it's a form of guided meditation. So I take people into deeply relaxed states for primarily three reasons and the first one is to do healing. So it's mostly emotional healing of suppressed emotion that can be released from the past, which has a huge impact on everyone's life and they don't know it. So suppressed emotion. It can also be used to enhance creativity and it can also be used to help people develop spiritually, especially in the concept of things like spiritual awakening. So what hypnotherapy can be used for is just about anything. You hear it used for smoking and losing weight a lot, but that's behavior modification and that's just very the surface level of what you can do with hypnotherapy. So hypnotherapy, what you're doing when you go into deeply relaxed states, you are entering the subconscious mind. So when you enter the subconscious mind through a deep state of relaxation, you're essentially entering the suspended dream state, and so, um, it's a natural, actually a natural state that we go into every day, twice a day. That's right before you wake up in the morning, right before you go to sleep at night. It's the hazy zone between being asleep and being awake, and so what you can do in a hypnotherapy session is you can go into that state of mind and you can extend it for a period of time, like up to an hour, and so when you go into the subconscious mind, you know it's really important to understand what the subconscious mind is first of all, and the subconscious mind is the home of the non-physical aspects of the human experience. So that includes our intuition, our dreams, our creative flashes, our memories and, most of all, our emotions. That's the biggest thing that I probably work with on everyone. So what happens is that when we experience so emotions are born to be experienced Okay, that's their only job. And so when emotions are born or experienced, they simply dissolve and go back into the ether.

Joseph Drumheller: 13:36

However, almost all of us in fact I will say all of us even have a natural tendency on a subconscious level to not want to experience unpleasant emotion. We don't want to experience our pain. We don't want to experience our pain, we don't want to experience our jealousy, we don't experience our fear. So what we do is that, on a subconscious level so we don't know we're doing it consciously we avoid those emotions, and when that happens, they get stuffed or they get suppressed into our subconscious mind. And so, when that happens, we have these little living entities of fear or pain or whatever that living inside of us, and all they want to do is they want to be experienced. That's their cause, that's their only job, right? And so what they'll do is that they'll start to create situations and scenarios in our lives where we can experience that pain, that fear or whatever. So we'll start to see these things come up, and if we continue to avoid those on a subconscious level again, we don't know we're doing it what we'll start to see are repeating patterns of the same pain over and over and over again.

Joseph Drumheller: 14:35

Have the same problems with finances over and over again. You have the same problems in relationships over and over again. You have the same problems in your health over and over again. And so, and? And? Who are, you know, these unfortunate people? Excuse me, these unfortunate people that have these repeating patterns.

Joseph Drumheller: 14:50

Want to guess, everybody so everybody has suppressed emotion inside of them, with these repeating patterns of pain. And so what the beauty of hypnotherapy is and types of energy healing you can go into these deeply relaxed states and when you do that, it lets down the barrier between the conscious and the conscious mind, called the critical faculty of the mind. And when that happens, then these suppressed emotions from the past are there and you can essentially just release them by asking them to leave. It's a very profound experience, and when that happens is that the repeating patterns will stop. Okay, so or or the the problems that you have will diminish in their intensity or their frequency. So that's probably the main thing that I do with people in terms of healing.

Joseph Drumheller: 15:35

And then, but when you get into the subconscious mind and it starts to clear out all these suppressed emotions from the past, in which people really don't have that many of, then it becomes a crate, it comes a conduit for higher vibrational energy. You know, the buzzword phrase for now is called quantum energy, and so this is a creative force, and so when you start tapping into that, your life's going to get very creative and different, not only consciously, but subconsciously, you know. You start to see synchronicities. You'll get into what's called divine flow and then when you get into that state, then you can start going up the different levels of experiencing energy to higher vibrational frequencies, and so that takes time and effort and stuff like that, but the rewards are like fascinating the life takes on very interesting.

Joseph Drumheller: 16:22

What's that?

Tanya Scotece: 16:23

Is that what you described earlier as far as, like you became like into music, a musician and an author? Is that?

Joseph Drumheller: 16:30

for me, yeah, for me it happened kind of without knowing. It just exploded out of me. I went through this really cathartic experience and went through some huge changes immediately and then the creativity just start pouring out. So I think that's kind of an extreme example, but I've seen it happen with lots of other people. When they start dealing with these energies, life gets very creative, and so that includes in business. So you know. So if you can take these, this level of awareness, and put it into business, you know it can be great for coming up with new ideas and strategies, but or maintaining problems or problem solving and stuff. So, like I work with, you know, a number of entrepreneurs who you know they probably wouldn't come on the show and say that they use this stuff on themselves, but they do it personally and they interject it into their business with some great success, and it's a personal growth process at the same time.

Shireen Botha: 17:22

I mean, I love that. I love that you brought that in. Because my next question is you know, you being an entrepreneur and business owner yourself with the academy that you've started, what would you say would have been one of the biggest struggles that you've faced on this?

Joseph Drumheller: 17:43

Okay, so let's go back 30 years to where I started doing hypnotherapy and all this kind of weird stuff way, way outside of the box. It's even outside of the box today. So one of my biggest struggles in doing this is that, because it's outside of the box, it's non-traditional. My biggest challenge has been making money. So and that's not uncommon for a lot of healers, and so one is because we don't possess all the personality traits necessary to be successful in business. So many healers, they're highly sensitive, they're empathic and they're introverted, so they don't have the promotional personality type. They may not have the emotional and mental toughness to get through certain parts of business when you go through the ups and downs or you have to do some serious problem solving. So that's a problem for a lot of healers, and so how I have overcome it, it's just it's like it's a. It's one day at a time.

Joseph Drumheller: 18:36

You know and keep focused on what it is you're doing and why are you doing it, you know. And so one thing about anybody in business, especially healers, it's like you know you always hear the need. Well, you need to persevere because you know times are going to get tough and at some point you're going to have to cut back, you know, or you're going to have to persevere through the hard times. Well, if you're born to do what you're doing, if it's your mission in life, you don't need to persevere because you're going to do it, no matter what, because it's what mission in life. You don't need to persevere because you're going to do it no matter what, because it's what you're born to do. So you know it can knock you down flat, but you're still going to do it.

Shireen Botha: 19:14

So you know, would that be your way? Because that would be my next question. Absolutely, I can't stop.

Joseph Drumheller: 19:21

I couldn't stop if I wanted to.

Joseph Drumheller: 19:22

I was born to do what I do, and the nature component adds to it. So it's like, you know, come whatever I'm, you know, stick with this to the end. Plus, it's fascinating. It's absolutely fascinating. You know, and, and you can see how other people that changes their lives and and how it makes them come alive and be the fullest version, who, who they're meant to be. You know so, and and not everyone's a healer. So you can, I can, help business people, you know. I can help athletes, you know, and stuff like that. So it's just, I don't know, I'm hooked. I've been in it for a long time.

Tanya Scotece: 19:54

It's fascinating, fascinating, just hearing your journey. So what would you say, though, joseph? Is there a distinction between energy healers and hypnotherapists? Yes, like. Do you put them together? Is yours more of a hypnotherapists?

Joseph Drumheller: 20:07

Like, yes, so yeah, there was a combined field Mine's a combined, so they're they're complementary modalities. So usually if I was to take someone who didn't know anything I wanted to go to be the greatest healer they could be, I would take them through hypnotherapy first, because that's where you're going to. When you learn to do it and you start doing that other people, you're going to have to go through your own healing process and so you're going to be clearing out your suppressed emotions from the past and all that stuff. And then you're going to be open up to be this conduit and then that's when I would start training you in energy healing, because there's techniques you can do to it.

Joseph Drumheller: 20:40

Now, of course, not everybody does that. Everyone does, has their own way to go. They might start with energy healing and never do hypnotherapy or vice versa. But but hypnotherapy edit, and it in its purest and truest form is a form of spiritual healing. Now you won't hear that from people who just do it for weight loss or, um, you know, quit smoking or behavior modification and stuff. And then there might be some people who even teach hypnotherapy, who wouldn't recognize it as that either. But my experience just because my journey has been very spiritual from the get-go um hypnotherapy has naturally led me into higher spiritual realms. Right, and it's a natural progression in my experience okay.

Tanya Scotece: 21:26

So, like you've touched on for example, so for our listeners out there, for example, athletes or people who want to be athletes, maybe you know, try hypnotherapy. You've also tried people, you know, maybe behavior modifications you've tried. I guess there's probably the trauma component too, right, people with PTSD or complex PTSD.

Joseph Drumheller: 21:45

Well, everybody has a form of PTSD, everybody. Everybody has experienced trauma when they're young and it affects their behavior when they become adults. It's from the suppressed emotion. It could be. You have problems in relationships Like you get divorced because of this person is treating you a certain way. You get into your next marriage and this different person, but they're still treating you the same way. So what? That is telling you that, because it's a repeating pattern, has nothing to do with the other person. It's what's going on inside of you and so, and so everybody has that. That affects different parts of their lives. You know it can be abandonment issues, um, you know, not being successful, repeating patterns, health issues, you, you know. So it's like it's, it's, it hits. Almost every everyone has it, has some repeating pattern at some point where hypnotherapy could very likely help them.

Tanya Scotece: 22:38

You know would you say like a core belief, like the core beliefs, like it touches on our like, you know those kind of core beliefs that we have like and people like, for example, like people aren't if you feel like I'm not good enough, I'm not smart enough, I'm not, whatever, loved enough or whatever, those fears does, that kind of um absolutely.

Joseph Drumheller: 22:55

So those, those beliefs are subconscious, so we're not consciously aware of them. And and so the, the um, the not good enough. The unworthiness is so huge in so many millions and millions of people's lives that that we don't achieve our potential because of how we were berated or treated as a child. We just want to support, given the love that we needed. You know, and that's not, that's not our parents' fault. You know that happened to their, their parents and their parents and their parents, as far back as you want to go.

Joseph Drumheller: 23:22

So you know, it's like it's just the way it is, and so when you're in that situation, the only thing you can do is like to take steps to heal yourself, and that's going to hurt children, you know so. You know so it's. It hits us all. You know we're all wounded people. Yeah, on some level.

Tanya Scotece: 23:39

Trying to get home.

Shireen Botha: 23:42

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